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hot take(?), ethical hacking, long 

I've seen some peoples talk a lot about how hacktivism is ethical hacking recently, and I have to say, by my definitions, it is not.
I haven't ever considered ethical hacking to be ethical, it's just a set of rules agreed upon, "responsible" disclosure, no personal benefit/agenda... things like that.
And hacktivism just does not fit with that : no personal benefit? I mean hacktivism have an agenda by definition, it's the whole point. Responsible disclosure?

hot take(?), ethical hacking, long 

Sure sometime it's best for everyone to do that, but not always. When I had access to tweets from any private accounts on twitter, I saw a tool that could mainly be used to dox peoples, so it seemed best make that get fixed quick, but when we talk about mass surveillance, it's best to bring that in the spotlight, and you simply cannot with responsible disclosure, at least not as much as you can with a "major hack" headline.

hot take(?), ethical hacking, long 

In the end, the question should be : do we really care about hacktivism getting classified as ethical hacking? Because I don't think we should. Many peoples don't consider a riot to be ethic, because some will fight against policemen, break windows... but sadly you can't change the world only with peaceful talks

hot take(?), ethical hacking, long 

> sadly you can't change the world only with peaceful talks

that said, you can't change the world only with violent actions either, you need a plurality of means of actions, and that also mean respecting other peoples mode of action

re: hot take(?), ethical hacking, long 

@a000d4f7a91939d0e71df1646d7a48 Seems to me that defining hacktivism as what is today called "ethical hacking" is pretty much restricting hacktivism to a subset of activities, tools and methods we have.
As you said protests sometimes turn into violent riots, rioters throw molotov cocktails at cops and smash windows, and it's a very good comparison. Some try to classify that as terrorism, as a way to make themselves more legitimate but it's just another way to protest, with different tools and different methods.
Hacktivism shouldn't be consensual or it's going to turn soft, it must be diverse and include a large panel of actions, however "responsible" corporations and states consider them to be.
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