@maloki Perhaps you missed the part where @ghost said that if we/they spent half as much time doing that kind of work as 'shitting on people' they'd get it done and more besides, which just isn't true.

**maloki | new home** @maloki@elekk.xyz · Jul 01, 2018, 10:26

**maloki | new home** @maloki@elekk.xyz · Jul 01, 2018, 10:26

@pettter I didn't miss it.

**pettter ✅** @pettter@social.umeahackerspace.se · Jul 01, 2018, 10:31

**pettter ✅** @pettter@social.umeahackerspace.se · Jul 01, 2018, 10:31

@maloki Then either you overestimate the shitting or underestimate the work.

**maloki | new home** @maloki@elekk.xyz · Jul 01, 2018, 10:32

**maloki | new home** @maloki@elekk.xyz · Jul 01, 2018, 10:32

@pettter I got personally attacked for being incompetent, because I chose Discord.

So no, I'm not overestimating the shitting.

**pettter ✅** @pettter@social.umeahackerspace.se · Jul 01, 2018, 10:36

**pettter ✅** @pettter@social.umeahackerspace.se · Jul 01, 2018, 10:36

@maloki How do you think the energy and time required to call someone incompent compares to the energy and time required to make a decent discord-alternative?

**maloki | new home** @maloki@elekk.xyz · Jul 01, 2018, 10:37

**maloki | new home** @maloki@elekk.xyz · Jul 01, 2018, 10:37

@pettter Now you're actually conflating the problem.

It's like put energy that you (general) spend, putting negativity into the world, on doing something good instead, like helping your favorite foss project be better.

It's work that could be done, instead of attacking disabled people. Yeah?

**maloki | new home** @maloki@elekk.xyz · Jul 01, 2018, 10:37

**maloki | new home** @maloki@elekk.xyz · Jul 01, 2018, 10:37

@pettter If you don't get that, we have nothing more to talk about here.

**pettter ✅** @pettter@social.umeahackerspace.se · Jul 01, 2018, 10:43

**pettter ✅** @pettter@social.umeahackerspace.se · Jul 01, 2018, 10:43

@maloki You can make those encouragements without dismissing and belittling the actually pretty massive amount of work and effort required to make a decent UI that works for said disabled people.

**maloki | new home** @maloki@elekk.xyz · Jul 01, 2018, 11:00

**maloki | new home** @maloki@elekk.xyz · Jul 01, 2018, 11:00

@pettter but it's okay to belittle and attack the person who are disabled, and choose to use the services that are available that they know? Good to know.

bye o/

**pettter ✅** @pettter@social.umeahackerspace.se · Jul 01, 2018, 11:02

**pettter ✅** @pettter@social.umeahackerspace.se · Jul 01, 2018, 11:02

@maloki What? Of course it isn't?

**maloki | new home** @maloki@elekk.xyz · Jul 01, 2018, 11:05

**maloki | new home** @maloki@elekk.xyz · Jul 01, 2018, 11:05

@pettter Yet you are defending the people who people are defending me from.

You know? That looks like you're saying that it's fucking okay for them to be assholes to me "because making good Ui is haaaard"

**pettter ✅** @pettter@social.umeahackerspace.se · Jul 01, 2018, 11:17

**pettter ✅** @pettter@social.umeahackerspace.se · Jul 01, 2018, 11:17

@maloki I'm defending no one, at least I'm not intending to be. I can see how it came off that way, and I'm sorry for that. I'll try to express myself better going forward.

What I'm saying is that devaluing and dismissing the very real and very hard work needed to make Good UI, by comparing it with being shitty on the internet (which is super easy) isn't helping in getting people to actually do and especially _value_ that work.

**maloki | new home** @maloki@elekk.xyz · Jul 01, 2018, 11:18

**maloki | new home** @maloki@elekk.xyz · Jul 01, 2018, 11:18

@pettter Thank you for apologizing.

**pettter ✅** @pettter@social.umeahackerspace.se · Jul 01, 2018, 11:03

**pettter ✅** @pettter@social.umeahackerspace.se · Jul 01, 2018, 11:03

@maloki But it's a hundred times easier to be negative than to build good shit.

**maloki | new home** @maloki@elekk.xyz · Jul 01, 2018, 11:05

**maloki | new home** @maloki@elekk.xyz · Jul 01, 2018, 11:05

@pettter We're allowed to call negative nessises on their bullshit, and we shouldn't be in turn attacked for doing so.

Come on.

**webshinra** @webshinra@mastodon.hackerlab.fr · Jul 01, 2018, 10:55

**webshinra** @webshinra@mastodon.hackerlab.fr · Jul 01, 2018, 10:55

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