It's good to learn from the generalized base of knowledge that's out there, though. Comparisons, as well as "here's why autism is different" descriptions were helpful to me, personally. YMMV of course.

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@shoutcacophony I think a lot of bpd diagnosis for autistic individuals while might be harder to separate from bpd, a lot of dealing with the difficulty like attachment disturbance is the same so I think a lot might be no AD diagnosis without BPD, also autistics are at higher risk for developing emotional dysregulation disorders than the general public likely to do with the parasympathetic NS.

@codeawayhaley could you clarify " lot of dealing with the difficulty like attachment disturbance is the same so I think a lot might be no AD diagnosis without BPD"

@codeawayhaley (having a hard time following the wording)

@shoutcacophony Well many Autistics develop Attachment Disturbances and many of the ways Attachment Disturbances are dealt with are used in treatment for BPD so some will be give a BPD diagnosis more based on the necessary treatment than actual criteria (it's the same with other symptoms which don't occur as their own diagnosis in many diagnostic manuals the most know being the DSM)

@codeawayhaley *nods* i understand

the articles though are about misdiagnosis in teens and adults, though.

also, the overarching assertion in the articles is about misdiagnosis based on similar criteria that are occurring for different reasons

@shoutcacophony yeah, I appologise I've just woken up. I can see how misdiagnosis can occur many of those personality disorders dip into Broader Autism Phenotype which can make it fuzzy, I usually don't think of autistic traits being similar to them, but rather they have traits associated with autistic traits.

@codeawayhaley

don't apologize, i've been up for while. let me know if this is too much for first thing in the morning.

@codeawayhaley

i think framing autistic traits in that way goes against the idea of autism being a spectrum, and potentially narrowcasts autism in a way that's been discredited. i'm not saying you're doing that, but it does get asserted as such.

again, the articles aren't talking about people exhibiting traits, they're talking about people who got misdiagnosed, then later diagnosed as being on the spectrum.

@codeawayhaley

(sorry for the multiple sends, UI glitch on my end)

i also think that self-dx is valid, so that's part of my point of view here as well. which ASAN also agrees with, as do Cynthia Kim, Lydia Brown and others

that's my view, pretty much

@codeawayhaley

also, regarding broader autism phenotype, in relation to people who are autistic

https://musingsofanaspie.com/2013/06/26/decoding-the-high-functioning-label/

@shoutcacophony I don't believe in functional labels, I view the broader autism phenotype as encompassing all autistics not just those diagnosed.

@codeawayhaley ok, thanks. i just needed to ask, because broader autism phenotype gets used (by some) to mean "you're not really autistic".

especially towards people who self-dx, or as part of a "there's too many people getting diagnosed" (non-)argument

@shoutcacophony As is my view, I tend to agree with ASAN. I also weren't saying it isn't a spectrum, I was saying a lot of the personality disorders could be consider a subtype of autism (at least in part) due to the major overlap. But again categorising is fuzzy when it comes to neuropsychology.

@codeawayhaley oh, ok. that makes sense, ty

@PinkCathodeCat i've run across that as well, yup (the general misdiagnosis). if'/when you have the time, i'd love to see the sources for this