and it is hurtful, that anti-theory is celebrated.
Just for perspective:
"I was rather startled to find Leon Trotsky, major figure of the Russian Revolution and no friend of anarchism, saying, in 1937:
“From the first day of the revolution, thanks to its specific weight in the economy of that country, and to its political and cultural level, (the Spanish proletariat) has been, not below, but above the level of the Russian proletariat at the beginning of 1917.”"
Despite all the factors (international, political, military) working for their demise, the Spanish working class and parts of the peasantry in the Republican zones arrived at the closest approximation of a self-managed society, sustained in different forms over two and a half years, ever achieved in history.
the question, raised by Abad de Santillan and generally ignored by most of the contemporary radical left still is: how to prepare today, programmatically and practically, for a takeover of a modern capitalist economy where, in contrast to Spain in 1936, shutting down a large swath of socially useless and socially noxious activity will be a top priority from day one.
@syndikalista I think Graeber's work and other anti-work insurrectionists have provided a foundation for us to build off in this respect, but aye, it still is a question that needs evaluating
@syndikalista I guess Cherán is one place I can hink of off the top of ma heid. They chased out the police, politicians and illegal logging cartels - all examples of useless and socially noxious activity
@syndikalista it was brought up at the end of the episode but nothing more
@anthra think advertising, gambling halls, general monetized service stations which could be service providers.
@syndikalista to the first: Who finds out in what way what is available? where the borderline to advertising is to be drawn?
@anthra does it require tracking to measure impact? Than it is advertising.
Marketing is not advertising, they have different functions but are used interchangeable in german.
To find out what is available you can use a register or alike. That can be part of marketing but does not need to be advertising.
@tommy anarchosyndicalist economist, leading figure of economic transformation during the Spanish civil war. Made some bigger mistakes during the Civil war policy wise, but wrote plenty about the transformation post-1939 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Abad_de_Santill%C3%A1n
On a side-note: publisher of Nation and Culture of Rudolf Rocker, son-in-Law of Friedrich Kater (FAUD).
@syndikalista who do you expect to do the job? Who/wjat institutions/structures have the capacities to do the work? At least some knowledge is being transfered. (There are workshops, talks, conferences) So it does go beyond symbolic. But sure, I guess a deep understanding is missing.
@syndikalista hast du Vorstellungen, wie das aussehen kann?
In meinen Augen Bedarf es dafür Strukturen, die Rebell*innen/Revolutionär*innen/whatever materiell versorgen/unterstützen können
@tommy Ja na klar bedarf es dieser Strukturen, die das machen. Klassisch waren das die Krankenkassen, die Hilfs- und Versorgungskassen, (Prod.-)Genossenschaften, das Siedlungswesen etc. Heute läuft das oft unter dem Schlagwort "Gegenmacht aufbauen", obwohl das eher im politisch-organisatorischem Sinne ist. Solange der Bedarf nicht erfasst wird, kann er nicht organisiert werden. Daher: Was bräuchtest du (und die deinen) um das zu bewerkstelligen? -> Fang an es dir zu organisieren.
@tommy btw. to learn the most from Santillian you can spend around 10€ for "Ökonomie und Revolution" (mit Juan Peiró; Hrsg. Thomas Kleinspehn). Wien 1986.
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